[42] Despite being mostly cordial with Kelsier, he does hate him to an extent due to how he manipulated peoples faiths during his life, playing with their hearts and treating their faith casually. The spirit of Kelsier often appears in Spook's hallucinations, granting him the power to burn pewter and guiding him through difficult situations. Foopers. That is like arguing with air. A natural leader, Kelsier used his charismatic personality to draw skilled and loyal Mistings to his own crew and eventually to lead a rebel army. Kelsier was the primary mentor of Vin and crewleader to the gang who was credited for overthrowing the Final Empire. Wayne is also a twinborn; his skills are Slider (creating speed bubbles) and Bloodmaker (he can store health in his metalminds in order to help facilitate healing). There are hints throughout Era 1 that Kelsier was still around, including Sazed flat out saying that Kelsier requested Spook be made a Mistborn. Even if it weren't a viable metal, as a Mistborn he would have been able to burn it, and he wasn't able to sense it at all. Kelsier is known by many titles, the origins of which vary. We were having a nice, thought provoking discussion, and you added nothing to it. All I want is for you to clarify your theory. Whats the point? Why would it have to be relevant to the current or future cosmere? As long as it provides something to think about and consider, it is worth posting. The first glimpse we had of Trells influence was at the end of Alloy of Law in the form ofMiles Hundredlives dying proclamation: You are fools! One of Kelsier's defining characteristics is his infallible optimism, even in the face of disastrous situations. He forced the rest of the crew to leave, only leaving Vin. Brandon definitely knew Kelsier wasn't gone from the beginning. However, Kelsier is then confronted by the Lord Ruler, who backhands him across the face and then stabs him in the chest with a spear, killing him. Hmmm, he was flat on the ground from the Lord Rulers hit when he was stabbed. However, this apparition of Kelsier is eventually revealed to be Ruin in disguise. In the meantime, keep an eye out for a non-spoiler review of The Lost Metal coming up next week. If youre looking to learn even more, I highly recommend that you check it outthere are also chapter-by-chapter recaps of the books if youd like to do a more thorough deep dive into the Mistborn series! [42] Then he found the power at the Well of Ascension and became trapped there with Ruin, though merging with the power of the Well allowed him to become a Cognitive Shadow and resist the pull of the Beyond. The genius. As the Sovereign, Kelsier ruled the Southern Scadrians for a time and formed another religion that deified Metalborn, and then he left. Gemmel is Kelsier's mentor in the allomantic arts, meeting each other after Kelsier escaped from his captivity in Hathsin. At the end of the book, Waxillium Ladrian is given a feruchemic coin by Hoid which stores the memory of a man with one eye and one hemalurgic spike, with arms covered in scars. Kelsier (aka The Survivor): Kelsier was the leader of the group of thieves who went after the Lord Ruler in the original trilogy, and was the person who recruited Vin. So i just finished Mistborn: Secret History and in the Postscribtum Brandon mentions that he as a very clear idea what Kelsier is doing and will be dropping hints again. Its central tenet is simply to survive, by any means, until you cannot survive any longer. Kelsier and Dockson went to see her first hand; they watched Vin Soothe an obligator during Camon's scheme, confirming that she was at least a Soother. But strangely, he still loved him. [16] He gifted Vin a mistcloak and started to teach her Allomancy. First off, I don't mean to come off as hostile, but I am genuinely confused as to what this theory is saying. While there he meets Ati and Hoid, as well as regularly talking with Leras, whom he believes to be God. The spike is not coming with you when your Cognitive separates from the body. A Steel Inquisitor had been present, discovering Vin's Allomancy. As you can see, Kelsiers been a busy, busy boy. [48] He ultimately only took a glass orb from them after thwarting their plan to take over become the Vessel of Preservation after Leras' death. lets delve into that a little more deeply, shall we? Then he found the power at the Well of Ascension and became trapped there with Ruin, though merging with the power of the. While difficult, it is possible to obtain atium and lerasium from ettmetal, but not through mechanical means. [53][54] He used this opportunity to tell Spook to send a message to Vin, warning her that any spiked person could potentially be under Ruin's control. If it did, the Koloss who died wouldn't have reverted to Humans when Kelsier saw them die. You are filling this thread with posts that are not needed and not wanted. Despite her supposed betrayal, Kelsier never stopped loving her. Kelsier had traveled there several years after the Catacendre, inhabiting a physical body that was spiked in the right eye, and found the Southern Scadrians slowly dying of an unexplained coldness. Please clarify. MeLaan: A kandra who has been around from about the time of the Catacendre. , Marsh is Kelsiers older brother. [43][77] Merely interacting with Hoid for a brief amount of time was enough to send Kelsier into a murderous rage. I had a similar reaction to theend of Lev Grossmans The Magicians. Killing Kelsier in a specific way wouldnt have changed or accomplished anything that he would care about. Together with his wife Mare, he led daring heists and gained great renown. He finds Vin and Ham near the steps of Keep Venture and also learned that Dockson had died in the Battle of Luthadel. Kelsier later gave this drawing to Vin. The Skaa still would have rebelled, Vin still wouldve gone after TLR, and they still wouldve won. Protecting you.Giving you power!, When Leras died and Ruin began to Splinter the Shard of Preservation, Kelsier used the Ire's orb to Connect with Preservation and Ascend, allowing him to protect the power and hold it until Vin could take it. The Final Empire: Mistborn Book 1. The Lord Ruler has been vanquished. . Kelsier is described to be a middle-aged man with hawkish features and light blonde hair. I decided that Id see [Mare's] dream fullled. A mystery, to be sure. (Aside from the possibility of the spear no longer being a symbol). After Camon and Vin left, Kelsier realized that the ministry had already discovered that Camon was a thief and only played along to find the crew's hideout. Despite his suspicion that Mare betrayed him, he decides to fulfill Mare's dream of overthrowing the Final Empire. TLR is like the sacrifices, while Kelsier is like the Inquisitor. Wayne once had a thing for her, but gave up on it after realizing that she has a girlfriend. Kelsier later said that "he had more Money than he could Spend" however, after a failed attempt at stealing from the Lord Ruler in his secret room inside Kredik Shaw, he was sent to the atium mines in the Pits of Hathsin. He also knew at that point he'd been too much of a problem for the Lord Ruler. Vin - (Adopted Daughter) (Asended/Deceased). The mists curled around him, blending into the tassels of his mistcloak. Solid in the metal you fed to Elend. Mistborn Wiki is a FANDOM Books Community. This one is gonna be a RAFO for what his true plan is and if there is influence somewhere. Who, or what, is Trell? Yet, his death isn't truly that sad to me. It was Kelsier's "death" that truly connected me to the Cosmere universe. Many years after the Catacendre, the cult which started after Kelsier's deception with OreSeur directly following his death has become a fully-formed religion. Kelsier is the leader and presumed founder of the organization, which Mraize calls "the most powerful organization in all the cosmere. He is a half-blood skaa with a father from the noble class. But spiking modifies the spirit web, which is the same whether your a cognitive shadow or not,and so it could have provided him benefits. And the Lord Ruler still had a spike in his chest when he stabbed Kelsier. Though he is killed by the Lord Ruler, he watches over Vin as a Cognitive Shadow. [20] He is arrogant and very driven which, combined with his power, makes him incredibly dangerous;[21] he is willing to go extremely far to achieve his goalsfor example, he would be willing to use Hemalurgy on a large scale to create powerful Allomancers if ultimately necessary to protect Scadrial from other forces in the cosmerethough is not quite as utilitarian as Taravangian. Im going to proceed with this article under the assumption that youve read it, so if you havent, there will be some MAJOR spoilers. Before leaving them, he created the Bands of Mourning, a collection of unsealed metalminds forged together and containing all kinds of attributes in extremely large quantities. Batman, the most legendary mistborn himself. ), but its been a hot minute since TheBands of Mourning was released. He was born to a noble and a skaa mother, a fact that would have her killed due to the illegitimacy of it. Kelsier was then trained by a Mistborn named Gemmel[37] and they traveled to the far north of the Western Dominance to a city called Mantiz where Kelsier fought and killed the Mistborn Antillius Shezler. If you dont like this theory, move on. Kelsier is a former thief from the capital city of Luthadel. The Inquisitor and some soliders followed Camon to find his hideout to wipe out his crew, but Kelsier lured the Inquisitor away by using his own Allomancy while Dockson took out the soldiers. Kelsier was the primary mentor of Vin and crewleader to the gang who was credited for overthrowing the Final Empire. As a Cognitive Shadow tied to Scadrial, it is difficult for him to travel to other planets via Shadesmar. (Remember how I mentioned all those spoilers? In no way was it suggested that TLR was the one gaining the Hemalurgic power. In this novella covering the events of the first Mistborn trilogy, Kelsier is trapped in the Well of Ascension following his death. After being betrayed by his wife Mare on a job stealing from the Lord Ruler, Kelsier is sent to the Pits of Hathsin to mine atium geodes, one of the most sought-after Allomantic metals. So, Im kind of with Ishar a little bit. Kelsier is deified and continues to be venerated more and more by the skaa as the Church of the Survivor gains popularity. While he is incapable of leaving Scadrial in person, he uses an "avatar" to visit the Ghostbloods on Roshar. People tell me I can be downright frustrating! Whats the point? HE CANT BE HEMALURGICALLY SPIKED IF THE METAL ISNT TOUCHING HIS INSIDES. Leras is fascinated by Kelsier due to him being the first to punch him after death, and being the first to attempt to recruit him to their schemes. . Kelsier held Preservation for a short time but was bad at using it because he was a Cognitive Shadow at the time and did not match well with Preservation's Intent. I dont mean to sound aggravated or anything. Donald Mustard, de facto head of Fortnite, is real life friends with Brandon Sanderson, and approached him about getting characters from his books into the game. And the whole point of the Cosmere Discussion forumis to discuss irrelevant theories and minutiae about the Cosmere. Yeah sorry I meant the head of the spear. "[3] Kelsier is Iyatil's master. We do it because we want to. See below for the whole section on Kelsier and what hes been up to behind the scenes. Now we are two Books deep into the Second Era and maybe i need to re-read them with more cosmere awareness but i cant remember any hints of a Cognitiv/Cosmereaware Kelsier . [16][35][37], Seeing his powers, Gemmel wondered what he unleashed upon the world in teaching Kelsier allomancy. Breeze, Ham, Clubs, and Clubs' nephew Spook joined his crew. Kelsier and his brother Marsh were the sons of a nobleman father and a skaa mother. Worship Trell and wait. Vin also became a major religious figure in the wake of his death, as the Survivorists consider her Kelsier's heir. With the help of MeLaan, another kandra, they hunt the killer down, only to discover that its Waxs presumed-dead ex-wife, Lessie; turns out she was Paalm all along. He hid the artifact away somewhere in the north and then disappeared. [22], Kelsier has an unknown Seon which he uses to commmunicate with his Ghostbloods on Scadrial. He was dead anyways. [61][4][3] When assassinated by Szeth, Gavilar suspects Thaidakar of ordering his death. Now with over 10 million copies sold, The Mistborn Series has the thrills of a heist story, the twistiness of political intrigue, and the epic scale of a landmark fantasy saga. Repeating myself over and over because Im misunderstood gets annoyingreal quick, so I wanna make sure Im clear with what I say. Mare joined him there a few months later. Khriss mentions the Ire which sets Kelsier onto his next quest of finding their base of operation. [62] He has also worked together with Khriss. He offered to teach her about gold and atium, gave her the money he took from Camon, and allowed her to leave, as he didn't want to force anybody into his crew. [31] He lost these abilities in death and has not recovered them.[22]. As of the end of The Bands of Mourning, he has a very obvious crush on Marasi. Kelsier would understand, but still disapprove of. In The Final Empire it can be argued that Vin represents the reader of the book as she is constantly in awe and has a great amount of respect for Kelsier.The reader is able to learn about the world, the magic and the other characters through the eyes of Vin, and because of this, we admire Kelsier, holding him up to almost a supernatural standard. [8], Kelsier has a Hemalurgic spike in his right eye socket,[32] which he acquires sometime after the Catacendre. Even if he was though, Im kind of confused at why you think Ruin would want TLR to kill Kelsier instead of Ruin trying to have TLR kill himself somehow. What about this mysterious Trell? A discussion means you have twosides, and you literally just asked one side to leave and move along.. It's not a sad death. Will it be revealed to be the Big Bad of the series after all? Kelsier had traveled there several years after the Catacendre, inhabiting a physical body that was spiked in the right eye, and found the Southern Scadrians slowly dying of an unexplained coldness. He is almost always late to gatherings, which he attributes to always having somewhere better to be. Of course, it was nothing compared to The Hero of the Ages. Or does Sanderson have yet more secrets to reveal? Does that make any sense? [25], Kelsier is known as Thaidakar[3] to the Ghostbloods, a secret society that operates on several planets, including Roshar. [19] After she and Elend are killed, Kelsier spoke with them before they moved on to the Beyond. [33] As a Cognitive Shadow tied to Scadrial, it is difficult for him to travel to other planets via Shadesmar. [11] He hates all of the nobility and tends to believe that all of them are to blame for the plight of the skaa, although near the end of his life this attitude changes due to Vin's insistence that Elend is different and that not all the nobles should be fought, although his views did not fully change, and he retained his prejudice and distrust. I am hope. Fortnite dropped the official announcement early Friday. Ati manipulated Kelsier for many years, grooming him in order to bring about his release. I dont think the head matters. He is the central figure of the religion known as the Church of the Survivor. Marasi previously studied law and had a bit of a crush on Wax, but shes since moved on. First released in 2006, Mistborn currently emcompasses six books, the most recent one having been released in 2016. Greetings, Cosmere chickens and Allomancers! This thread only relatesto Mistborn, and should probably be moved to the mistborn forum,instead of the Cosmere forum, to avoid spoilers. Kelsier went on to save Elend's life from an inquisitor. Please note that there are also some spoilers in here for The Stormlight Archive. 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In the event of his death, Kelsier ordered his kandra, OreSeur, to ingest his remains, masquerading as a resurrected holy figure. Issue with this design? Kelsier went on a pewter flare run to save the army, but was too late to stop the battle. The Inquisitors' eyespikes poked out the back. While held in an Elendel jail, Suit was visited by a mysterious creature with red eyes. Kelsier sought and eventually found the Eleventh metal as he believed it would help him to defeat the Lord Ruler. Wax thinks that he might have connections to the Set. He died at the end of the first book in the original trilogy but theres always another secret. They also have the technology to create powerful grenades and bombs, as well as medallions which grant various powers. Though, in my opinion, I dunno if Ruin would try to forcethe Lord Ruler to kill Kelsier. We do it because we want to. As long as it provides something to think about and consider, it is worth posting. the original post says a lot: Are you asking if the rebels were influencedby Ruin? Ughcreepy. Not again. TenSoon learned the location of his bones from OreSeur, and used them to convince the people of Luthadel to hide in the caverns after King Penrod was corrupted by Ruin.[41]. Travelling back to Luthadel, he begins to assemble a thieving crew to put his plan into motion. Our Privacy Notice has been updated to explain how we use cookies, which you accept by continuing to use this website. On its relevancy, just because it has spawned a discussion does not make it relevant to the present and futureCosmere. [50] He stayed with her for a while after that but ultimately had to leave. Kelsier often kills nobility and the skaa who serve them with absolutely no qualms. The roast is strong with this post. His name and deeds passed into legend. One day, the men of gold and red, bearers of the final metal, will come to you. Started by Ettmetal, also known as harmonium, is the condensed elemental form of Harmonys power. Mister Suit had been captured and possibly killed, but Lady Sequence (Telsin) had escaped, and there are rumblings of more devious plots afoot something to do with the kandra who are working for the Set, and Trell. [24] This results in the skaa considering him a god, leading to the founding of the Church of the Survivor, which refers to Kelsier as "Lord of the Mists". And we know Ruin was able to manipulatepeople, particularly unstable people like Vin's mother and Gemmel, soit possible that the rebels who stabbed the Lord Ruler were influenced by Ruin to create a Hemalurgic Spike. He lacks finesse in the external mental abilities of zinc and brass as he tends to create large changes in emotional states as opposed to the more subtle Soothing abilities of Breeze, although he can affect a relatively large mass of people. In Bands of Mourning, we were introduced to the Malwish, a culture from Southern Scadrial. The hearts of men are NOT YOUR TOYS. Kelsier protested, earning himself a violent beating, whereupon he Snapped. [7] Using Allomancy he was able to escape the Pits. If Kelsier orders a person around, it is a sign of affection. After further reading and realisation that there is more to this, I think it's safe to say that he's pretty obsessive. This isn't really a theory, I would just like to get the ball rolling on a discussion and throw that out there. When Lord Tresting attempted to rape a skaa girl, Kelsier saved her, killing Tresting and all his servants and soldiers in the process. We want to discuss this theory. While conversing with Harmony regarding the case, Harmony said that Wax's casual way of talking to him reminded him of Kelsier. He worked out of a safehouse in Bilming, alongside Moonlight, TwinSoul, Kaise, and Dao. [29] Had his life gone differently, he could have been an outright evil person and, outside the context of the Final Empire, would likely be a villain. , Kelsier is terrified by Ati and the power that he holds, seeing and feeling it through the Well of Ascension.[74]. Vin paused at her thoughts. When he arrived in Luthadel, he first reunited with his old partner and best friend Dockson. You cant discuss a theory with only the people who agree with it. [2] He is capable of using them with a high degree of precision to control the momentum and rotation of dozens of pieces of metal simultaneously. If anything, I feel like Ruin would have tried to make the Lord Ruler take the bracers off. After the fall of the Lord Ruler, Marsh eventually came under control of Ruin, as Ruin used the Hemalurgic nature of the Inquisitors to control them. He/she/it has kandra under their control, is either controlling or working with the Set, and is apparently planning on annihilating life on Scadrial as a whole. We dont haveto do this. And he didnt have metals as a cognitive shadow, so we have no way of knowing. Sure, maybe it would be active for a split second when touching blood or whatever like you said,but as soon as the head passes out of his body on the other side, it wouldnt affect him anymore. And you kind of responded with a lot of hate there. This is why I love Brandon. Sure, it makes it interesting and thought provoking, but I never said it wasn't. He has an imposing presence and is a natural leader, easily taking charge and swaying even the downtrodden skaa of Luthadel into joining the rebellion with his charming personality. Vin expected that Kelsier would use his knowledge to control her, but to her surprise, he openly explained her the eight basic metals. They also have some sort of ties to. you seem far away from this address uber eats kate bosworth leaked photos From the skaa in Keep Shezler he heard rumors of the Eleventh metal. Kelsier has also been keeping himself busy by interfering with Roshar (the world in which The Stormlight Archive is set). However, he is then confronted by the Lord Ruler himself. He was dead anyways. Wayne: Waxs loyal sidekick, Wayne has a tendency to borrow things and has an aversion to using guns despite his duty as a lawman. [65] As a Pathian, Wax did not worship Kelsier, but his life has nonetheless been drastically affected by the Survivor. Uncanonically, Brandon imagines Kelsier as using a Seon in a trench coat as his 'avatar'. He introduced them and Vin to Yeden and explained his plan to destroy the Final Empire and kill the Lord Ruler. Does anybody find it odd how specific Kelsier's death is? Their combined effort would, in the end, result in the collapse of the Final Empire. Kelsier considers guns to be inelegant weapons. Sure, maybe it would be active for a split second when touching blood or whatever like you said,but as soon as the head passes out of his body on the other side, it wouldnt affect him anymore. He always keeps a smile on his face, because that is the one thing the Lord Ruler can't take from him. His other role involved using his reputation as the Survivor of Hathsin to inspire the newly-trained skaa soldiers. Yes, he's really dead. That said though, Im also kind of confused at what Ruin would be trying to accomplish even if TLR HAD been spiked. Breeze would recruit men for the rebellion, Ham would train them in the Arguois caverns, Dockson would direct the operation's finances, Clubs would hide the group's Allomancy with copperclouds, OreSeur in the role of Lord Renoux would buy the necessary equipment, Marsh would infiltrate the Steel Ministry posing as an obligator, Kelsier would use his Mistborn power to make attacks on the nobility to create tension between the houses, and Vin would gather information in the noble court posing as Renoux's niece Valette. Like a way to copy that little bit of spiritweb, so the spike can be removed or, god forbid, reused. [36] There he spent his time believing that his wife Mare had betrayed him to the Lord Ruler until he witnessed his wife being beaten to death by guards after she gifted her Atium bead to him. See the original version. Thankfully, a certain someone found them (see Kelsiers section below) and helped them to survive. OreSeur incites the skaa to rebel, beginning the revolution and the overthrow of the Final Empire. Without a Physical aspect, his powers failed. He helped the people there survive using his knowledge of the Metallic Arts, showing them how to make metalminds to store attributes like heat in a way that could be shared with anyone. Kelsier is a half-skaa Mistborn from Scadrial. Don't make me come over there and slap you around again. They called you their god, and you were casual with their faith! Kelsier let Vin jump over the city walls as an exercise for steel and iron and was surprised how voluntarily she did it, remembering his own training. Which is kind of how Id always imagined it. We want to discuss this theory. This information has the ability to potentially ruin elements of the plot for the reader. While there, other agents decide to report to Kelsier about the Set's imminent launch of a disastrous rocket at Elendel. Waxillium Ladrian was a direct descendant of a close associate of Kelsier, Edgard Ladrian. Shes the bastard half-sister of Steris. (Like Wax, and Wayne, and okay, those are the only remaining Ws, but isnt alliteration fun?). He helped the people there survive using his knowledge of the Metallic Arts, showing them how to make unsealed metalminds to store attributes like heat in a way that could be shared with anyone. Except if you remove the spike, you leave the alteration because the Identity is not matched. [6] He is stern and intense, but always smiling; another act of rebellion against the Lord Ruler's oppression. Kelsier has been confirmed by WoB not to have a spike, so although he was being influenced by Ruin's plans, Ruin was not controlling his motions and therefore he did not have the intent necessary to perform hemalurgy. 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