He was an Electricians Mate Class 1 and served in, 12/03/35-09/01/36 HMS Ganges. Anniversary Toast - HMS RALEIGH 25th Oct 2009, Telegraph: "Captain Peter Grindal Obituary", Future Ford vehicles could repossess themselves, 10 myths told by Covid 'experts' now debunked. The culprit was brought before the Commanders table, the punishment was awarded as six or twelve cuts. No way would the Royal Navy let the opportunity to instill fear into a young boy pass them by, So began another nine months of laughter and tears, disaster and joy. 1927. The next six years passed with regular naval detentions, ( Royal Naval Detention Quarters RNDQs Portsmouth) exhausting punishments, solitary confinements, ending with a twelve month sentence in the infamous HMP Corradino, Malta. HMS Ganges was a training ship and later stone frigate of the Royal Navy. Thus was the nature of Ganges harsh training regime. Today in Naval History - Naval / Maritime Events in History 13 March 1653 - Death of Simon de Vlieger (c. 1601, Rotterdam - buried 13 March 1653, Weesp) Simon de Vlieger (c. 1601, Rotterdam - buried 13 March 1653, Weesp) was a Dutch designer, draughtsman, and painter, most famous for. Restoration of the historic HMS Ganges Mast is well under way at Barrelmans Point in Shotley. I was out of there in an instant, but never said a word to anyone, I was just happy it was over and I had qualified. In 1907, its famous 143ft (44m)-high training . These adverts enable local businesses to get in front of their target audience the local community. Early in 1940 Admiralty decided to close Ganges as a Boys Training Establishment and in April it became a Hostilities Only Training Establishment. (LogOut/ The noise was excruciating. The master at arms held a long thin bamboo cane, the instrument of the punishment. Most boys just wanted to complete their year and go to sea. While the training ship was originally based in Cornwall, she was moved to Harwich, and then Shotley in the 1890s, in order to be closer to a centre of population. 10/01/36- 08/02/36 HMS Pembroke. Read about our approach to external linking. H.M.S. Tangible progress to transform a former Suffolk naval training base into nearly 300 homes, a sports park, shops and a GP surgery could be seen once the coronavirus lockdown is over. HMS Ganges was a training ship and later stone frigate of the Royal Navy. To get to the platform you would climb out over the Devil's Elbow, legs dangling in the air, only your grip keeping you from certain death. Offenders, known in the Navy as "defaulters", were mustered every morning and went before the Captain for a formal hearing, where they could be "awarded" up to 12 "cuts" -- very hard strokes of Outbreak of World War One. Some boys were home sick, some just tried to stay out of trouble, one or two ran away. This site is part of Newsquest's audited local newspaper network. they said. Change), You are commenting using your Twitter account. 1907. I wrote this song a long time ago. First the older of the two, Maurice WRIGHT JX 657902. interesting .. photos of the old pool. Change). HMS Ganges 2 in the harbour put all boys ashore and was then used as Naval Operations Ship, Harwich. Graduating from Ganges held the promise of better times ahead, we would be real sailors, excited at the prospect of visiting far off and exotic lands. CMEM (M) Served from 1972 - 1987 Served in HMS Ganges. At about 60 feet was the Devil's Elbow, the most dangerous and frightening part. Mr Youngman, who joined the navy aged 15 in 1965, said he had previously climbed up to the top of the mast but "couldn't wait to get back down". It may not display this or other websites correctly. "We're hoping that we can get some of the money back from him, but we don't know if that's going to be possible.". I shuddered to the bone, as I'm sure did other boys. As a subscriber, you are shown 80% less display advertising when reading our articles. There was also a degree of sexual abuse going on at Ganges, but we boys were too scared to ever complain or report such incidents. He was the officer that tested us when we endeavoured to qualify with a bosuns pipe. later times). She was based alternately in Falmouth, Harwich (from 1899) and Shotley (from 1905). CEM1 Served from 1972 - 1978 Served in HMS Ganges. She remained in service at RNTE Shotley until October 1976. Doesnt sound too bad does it. This was the job of the button boy at HMS Ganges who had to shin up the last fifteen feet or so to climb on the button during ceremonial parades. Artist's impression showing the view across a residential street at the redeveloped HMS Ganges site in Shotley Gate. Babergh District councillor Ganges, Derek Davis, said: From my own personal perspective I have seen how closely our officers and our planning team have worked with the owners of the site and I can imagine that once the lockdown is over and the guys get started, progress will be made very quickly. LRO (G) Served from 1975 - 1998 Served in HMS Ganges. [1] On October 28 the White Ensign was lowered for the last time and the ships figurehead was transferred to Royal Hospital School, Holbrook. It was named after a pre-existing training ship by the same name that was launched from Bombay and based at Shotley. Other things we had to do included, clean a toilet with a toothbrush, polish a hundred square feet of block-wood flooring with a boot brush every night before going to bed, paint the inside of a dustbin white before putting your rubbish into it. Mr Jones said: "There is a lot of truth to the statement that you entered as a boy, but left as a man. The HMS Ganges site was initially opened in 1904 acted as a boys training facility for the Royal Navy. If you have a complaint about the editorial content which relates to CPO (OPS) (EW) Served from 1966 - 1991 Served in HMS Ganges. 2023 BBC. RM B54PCM - Twiggy the baby elephant was half an hour late for her appointment to 'tow of the premises', the 47 year old Captain Derek Napper Napper, skipper of HMS Ganges the naval training school at Shotley Suffolk, and found she had been replaced by a couple of horses. 1905 - 1976 The Royal Navy training mast in Shotley Gate, pictured in 1936, was erected in 1907, A photograph of the base taken sometime in the 1950s (left), with recruits on the mast in 1937, with one recruit just about visible near the very top, John Youngman said his training at the site stood him in good stead for the rest of his life, Warning: Third party content may contain adverts, A pupil band from The Royal Hospital School performed at the event, It is expected to take at least a year to restore the mast at the tip of the Shotley peninsula, across the water from Felixstowe and Harwich. I had thought that our group were the only sailors, if we dared call ourselves that, in this annexe, but I was soon to discover there was a continuous rotation of faces, each at various stages of initiation, a small factory taking in baby civilians at one end and throwing out almost sailors into the real HMS Ganges at the other. 11.00 to 17.00 Saturdays, Sundays and Bank Holidays between Easter and the end of October. Finally he withdrew his hand and declared I passed the test. We were ushered in as a group of naked boys and told to wash thoroughly. She was established as a boys' training establishment in 1865, and was based aboard a number of hulks before moving ashore. Registered in England & Wales | 01676637 |. HMS Ganges was the name given to several Royal Navy ships since from 1779, but in 1905 it was chosen as title for a new training base at Shotley Gate, near Ipswich where about 500 boy recruits. Picture: CLAGUE ARCHITECTS, Independent Babergh District councillor for Ganges, Derek Davis. Sadists most of them and that's from a 15 year old who was in a council care home before he joined, streetwise to fcuk and kept my head down. HMS Ganges moved moorings from Harwich to Shotley. It was hoped that Developers Haylink Ltd would start work early this year, but their plans were scuppered by the Covid-19 pandemic. Didn't like it, there are better ways of teaching than violence, but it hardened me up and made me self disciplined. He was subsequently dismissed from the service and returned to civilian life. If you are dissatisfied with the response provided you can Picture: CLAGUE ARCHITECTS (Image: CLAGUE ARCHITECTS). Helpful Report abuse Kindle Customer Sorting The Wheat From The Chaff Reviewed in the United States on March 28, 2014 HMS Ganges was also known as Shotley Training Establishment . They looked like what we didn't, sailors. HP10 9TY. His fellow recruit, Phil Bridge, said it was "a sad day, because it means a lot to us", but he was looking forward to a restored mast being returned. Charles Dickens might have penned it the best of times and the worst of times. Im here as my Son (15) wants to join the RN - Wellbeck route AIB soon. It had been HO (Hostilities-only) traing during the war. 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It was at Shotley Point that the wooden ship HMS Ganges was berthed from 1899, and used as a cadet training ship for the Royal Navy. Real posh supercilious bastard. the top rung of a six foot ladder is about my limit! On the parade ground the order went something like On the command fix! The left hand went behind the cheek of your left buttock and twisted the bayonet and scabbard upward. The money belonged to the HMS Ganges Association for people who served at the former naval training base at Shotley Gate near Ipswich, Suffolk. It is important that we continue to promote these adverts as our local businesses need as much support as possible during these challenging times. I heard many boys saying things like , dont bend over in front of the seamanship officer, or always face him dont turn around. "Most of what was on the site went to the naval museum in Portsmouth, but we have the honours board and figurehead from the original ship. It had been HO (Hostilities-only) traing during the war. ", HMS Ganges as a warship (Image: HMS Ganges Museum). Standing at 143ft, the mast is made up of three main parts; the main 75ft mast came from HMS Cordelia, a steam corvette built in Portsmouth, the top mast of 47.5 ft wooden ruffle box from HMS Agincourt, which was renamed HMS Boscawen, and then Ganges II. As Rudyard Kipping wrote in his famous poem IF the you will be a man my son. There's something to be said for finding how finding out how good you are at living with other people, and finding respect for yourself. HMS Ganges as a training ship in the 1900s, HMS Ganges being broken up after training was transferred to the land base at Shotley, The boys climbed the mast whenever the base received high-status visitors, and as part of their training, The sailors in training doing exercises outside the gym, The honours board from the HMS Ganges, showing the victories of all the Royal Navy ships bearing the name. Data returned from the Piano 'meterActive/meterExpired' callback event. HP10 9TY. ( Royal Naval Detention Quarters RNDQs Portsmouth), Listen to No Flowers for Geordie on SoundCloud. We caught up with Jim Dines, Director of TS Rigging, whose team. Heard so much about HMS Ganges though and it sounded very good for developing 'real sailors ' but as much as I hate to admit it I suspect it would have been too much for me . (LogOut/ On his 15th Birthday he was sent, with 2000 other boys, to the notorious HMS Ganges training establishment at Shotley Point where a harsh regime held sway. HMS Ganges organisation of meals - covering the galley in the Long Covered Way/messdeck dining, and the introduction of the CMG block /communal dining - dated 1952. c. Punishment of Juniors (U) at HMS Ganges dated 1970. d. Restrictions on the caning of boys as a punishment dated 1929-1931. Picture: CLAGUE ARCHITECTS, The Duke of Edinburgh visiting HMS Ganges in June 1973 Picture: ARCHANT. At 14 he ran away to join the Royal Navy and 'signed on' for 12 years. the reason i remember the date is that it was my 15th birthday, We got shipped out to Suez in October 1956 cutting short our training by a couple of months. Peter Ohara. Rumour had it many years ago a boy did fall, bouncing off the safety net and through the Post Office roof. His early life was hard by any standards. I had already taught myself to swim. CHARGE CHIEF PETTY OFFICER (WEA) Served from 1974 - 1997 Served in HMS Ganges. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Allegations of Abuse. Joined Ganges Feb '61..went through the same as everyone else. Network 157.90../16 Abuse Contact API. "In 1860 she was decommissioned and laid up, and in 1866 she was turned into a training ship, and her guns were removed. Ken Smith, who now lives in Brighton, sent me memories of arriving at HMS Ganges in the severe winter of 1963 and his fear of the dreaded mast. "They had a hard life, but they were fed and looked after. However lessons, culminating in a test, were much more difficult. Two other ratings are recorded as 'drowning' whilst on the books of HMS Ganges and both were in 1944. Were you at HMS Ganges? Below are just some of our members who have served at HMS Ganges. To get out of the showers we had to stand before our instructor legs apart arms raised for inspection. This was followed by a leap from the diving board, as high as any tree I'd ever climbed, wearing the waterlogged boiler suit and a lifejacket. LEADING SEAMAN Served from 1961 - 1970 Served in HMS Ganges. Researched and compiled by A. S. Grimmer (Solent Division) who sadly crossed the bar 6th January 2007. Some 100 boy-sailors were in the canteen, chewing and chattering; clattering knives forks and spoons against plates and bowls. #42. inaccuracy or intrusion, then please Observer career path/ real life experience. We had just finished PT before going to supper, so I was in shorts. HMS GANGES AT HIGHNAM COURT, GLOUCESTERSHIRE, 1940 - 1942. I took a bowl and ate the lot. . Jim Gitsham, chairman of the Shotley branch of the HMS Ganges Association, said: "Members will be delighted that he's going down. Maybe we boxed each other in the Shotley annexe! These adverts enable local businesses to get in front of their target audience the local community. HMS Ganges in Shotley Gate, Suffolk, was a land-based training centre for recruits between 1905 and 1976. Photos showing the rusting mast at the former site of HMS Ganges at Shotley peninsula have been released on social media, prompting concerns that the 142ft high structure is not being properly. As a subscriber, you are shown 80% less display advertising when reading our articles. These adverts enable local businesses to get in front of their target audience the local community. After initial training we were marched from the training camp. Even if it amazingly stayed put, as soon as I slammed the rifle onto the parade ground off it popped again. . 1905 to 1976 saw 150,000 recruits pass through HMS Ganges. Rather than do the two as a pongo I signed on the dotted line for a dozen , best thing I ever did and I regret not staying in for the full time . BBC Blue Peter presenter John Noakes attempted to climb to the top of the mast. This site is part of Newsquest's audited local newspaper network. 5.0 out of 5 stars A real trip down memory lane. George Blake joined the Navy in 1935 and served up to 1950. Contents 1 Foundation and early history 1.1 Allegations of abuse 2 Ganges at Harwich 3 Ganges at Shotley 3.1 1906 changes 3.2 Later developments 3.3 First World War 3.4 Post war developments 3.5 Ganges in the Second World War 3.6 Postwar and closure 4 References 5 External links However, for most of us boys, qualifying meant we could wear the Bosuns chain with our uniform instead of a lanyard. Find BBC News: East of England on Facebook, Instagram and Twitter. Not to the required half-moon, but to the first platform, where, when authoritative eyes were averted, I dashed to the other side and climbed back down.. Back in the mess, this safe haven shielding us from those torturous sounds, the junior instructors' suspiciously cheerful faces greeted us. Picture: SARAH LUCY BROWN (Image: Archant). This gallery has been set up as a home for images that have not so far been added to the Museums Official Website https://www.hmsgangesmuseum.com/ joined in '63 Dreadnought in the Annexe and Duncan in main camp, Went swimming at Vincent before colling-grad got its pool, and sailing if my memory is not totally shot, I sometimes considered climbing to the top of the mast a tossing myself off. But this was Ganges, we never got away with anything. The number of air raids at Shotley began to increase dramatically and its ratings soon had to go to the air . Click here to remove banner ads from this forum. But, because of the lockdown nothing has really moved and I think, even though construction workers havent leagally been told theyre not allowed to do anything, the owners are a bit reluctant to move. Each time I let it go off it popped, falling to the deck with a clatter. Observer career path/ real life experience. HMS Ganges was the name given to several Royal Navy ships from 1779 onwards, but in 1905 it was chosen for a new training base at Shotley Gate, near Ipswich, where about 500 boy recruits were. Mast erected using the foremast of HMS Cordelia, which was broken up 1904. The HMS Ganges Museum previously said restorers would remove the wooden part of the mast for refurbishment off site and they would then check the condition of the steel lower mast. The cinemas would be packed with rows of Ganges boys in uniform and the caf at the corner of St Stephen's Lane would sell them many cups of tea as they waited for their bus back to Shotley. After eating I dashed down to the boat sheds to report for my test. For more information, please see our Privacy Policy, Please enter a password with 6 characters or more. Attempts have been made to contact developers Haylink Ltd but have been unsucessfull. I knew only when it was over would I then be able to call myself a true Ganges Boy and, some years later, a real sailor. Editors' Code of Practice. We had no one to confide in, our instructors would more than likely told us not to tell tales. Ken said: It was a dreadful winter. It. She remained in service at RNTE Shotley until October 1976. . There were stories of many similar violations but none ever reported. For breakfast porridge was on offer, that salt-coated gruel I'd been forced to eat every morning of my schoolboy days. Life on the ship was extremely hard, with a memorial in Mylor, Cornwall, recording the names of 53 people who died while training on it between 1866 and 1899. Through the year the training was intense, probably a good thing, it gave us little time to regret joining the navy. As a subscriber, you are shown 80% less display advertising when reading our articles. 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The overall height is 143 feet 10 inches, with the button being 11 inches diameter and 3 inches thick. The previous evening I'd arrived at HMS Ganges training annexe, with an assortment of other would-be-sailors, and was placed in the capable hands of a spotty-faced junior instructor and a bullet-proof gunnery instructor who wore crossed guns on both lapels. After such a long time I think it will be a welcome relief for a lot of people. A historic Grade II listed former Royal Navy training mast has been taken down ahead of restoration work. For spite I think, because it wasn't compulsory. 1914. I allowed my head to tilt backward, sending my gaze to the very top, to the lightning conductor where the Button Boy stood on ceremonial occasions. Read about our approach to external linking. Change), You are commenting using your Facebook account. AboutPressCopyrightContact. Now i know why! Justin I saw the mast fully manned three times and it was a wonderful sight to see as it was so well choreographed and I was always amazed how the button boy could even get onto the button, when there was a breeze the mast moved a few good feet at the top of it and as I said all he had to hold onto was a knee high lighting conductor. I knew a gentleman who said when he was at Ganges in 1947 he had his first taste of hot food. Recruits used to climb the 143ft (44m)-high mast in formation, with the "button boy" standing on a small, circular platform at the very top, hands-free, but with his legs resting against a metal supporting bar. Welcome to Forces Reunited the place where you can find information and friends from HMS Ganges. 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