No, but the evidence to support it is in the discovery, R261. At first, Watts' husband, Chris Watts, agreed to TV interviews, where he appeared torn up over their disappearance and begged for their safe return. Her story is that of the majority of bisexual men living a lie. Interview with Leonard King, Shan'ann Watts' Ex-Husband [47th Tranche], TRUE CRIME ROCKET SCIENCE Visit the post for more. They were a family. It has helped me to put my thoughts in perspective because nothing else has. Interview concluded at 1448 hour. Re, R113's : "Maybe he didn't want to be full-time parent.". Grieving husband and father. And isnt it a fucker that the Topix forums went away? R244, I firmly believe she was emotionally abusing and exploiting him. Its for a specified amount of time I believe. R211, they should have used a female investigator with gigantic breasts, grating voice and bossy demeanor. Im not doubting exactly, I just need it explained. Rinse and repeat in Colorado except the down payment probably came out of Chris's and/or her parents (who also filed bk) bank accounts. He said that she used it constantly when he knew her and she was very well attached to it. The cops never made her google searches public, but i am guessing she did a LOT of searches on her milquetoast co-workers, looking for just the right pigeon to pluck. No, R108. Im not an expert, but I dont think asthma is terribly elusive (its not LUPUS). - they owed. Shanann was delusional in living beyond their means but she wasnt EVIL Chris Watts is. Ill bet he tried so hard to keep his 401k funded. Chriss friends wife hugged Chris and Shanann forbade him from seeing that friend anymore. He learned of this case from social media and news. Image from Facebook. A financial, medical, and emotional con! I like it - two snarky, bitchy Englishwomen can be quite entertaining. That was a detailed and well written article, R227; better than most others I have read about his new confession. It is so fucking disturbing. R218: Consider yourself lucky. SHANANN was in high school when LEONARD first met her. However, anyone who devotes MONTHS to harping on how annoying a dead woman was when she was alive, has all the screws loose. Fast forward to her fertility treatments. Shanann was still very good friends with her ex husbands mother too. She left home again to attend a quick work trip on Aug. 10, returning home just before 2 a.m. on Aug. 13. Women like that can get him to do anything. The husband looks hot, she's not, R3, whoever she is. Chris is a total hottie, Shanan was a a lucky gal. How wrong we all were. It's 2:50 am and I can't sleep. Phil Hartmans wife was another first name changer. R145, youre right about that. Geni requires JavaScript! This has kept me entertained. She got along well with people. No wonder Chris was amazed with NK. I will be curious to know if he was on the spectrum in some way. Even her own mother admitted she shopped around until she got the correct diagnosis. I know an ex wife who was getting very greedy and sued for more and lost because her ex could show he had no income by getting his employer to pay him in cash and lived on credit cards for a while. I think Celeste was adorable. Any links? He definitely deserves life in prison - what he did was disgusting. Think before you speak. Regardless she didnt murder her children, the psychopath Chris Watts took their lives . Not even once. I'm surprised there is so much suspicion about how Shannan afforded that big house in NC. In response to comments on the post, Shanann said that it was a '3 foot doll' that had been wrapped in 'their twister tarp thing'. Maybe if he'd convinced a judge that Shan'ann was a dishonest grifter he would have succeeded. She named him Nico Lee. Why? Odd that when her marriage to King ran into trouble her behavior exactly mirrored that of Chris in the months before the murders: Not waning to engage in conversation, shutting down, withdrawing, physically distancing herself within the home, etc. I agree CBH. and missed three mortgage payments on the house that they couldn't afford. I really didnt. The woman who started googling Chris Watts and Shanann Watts just after the Mead explosion. She then went to work in Charlotte, NC for a middle eastern guy that owned a tire and wheel business called Dirty South. Why does everyone on this thread seem so willing to badmouth a victim none of you have met? Banks have a duty to keep you from insolvency when you buy a house. I think if Shannan had lived she would have continued with her hypochondria, her over-spending, her delusional thinking, and would have made her children neurotic messes. Chris Watts is a textbook Malignant-Covert Somatic Narcissist. Nothing suspicious, just a little nest that most single women working in retail buy. I bet those bitches have some stories to tell. Interestingly, she (allegedly) dated Chris, and was supposed to tak about what he was like, but all she talked about was Shabann. She did not "purchase" any house. Of course we can say nice things about her, too. I think he was planning to make it look like an accident, that Shanann Wayts came out looking for him, to confront him about his affair maybe. I think men (more than women) think Chris Watts is attractive. That was also around the time she was diagnosed with lupus. Despite having the same triggers, we never had attacks at the same time. Shanann met Chris Lee Watts in 2010. Shanann Watts was 15 weeks pregnant, and appeared to be happily married, according to Atkinson. I'll be back. Facebook Chris Watts . She could barely handle the 2 monsters she had, another on the way, and Chris did a lot around the house to help out with the girls, meanwhile she had them in school that cost them 2K per month. What a tragedy. The documentary pieced together the events . Those girls probably ate it all the time. Guaranteed she didnt make enough to support herself, she needed Chris pay to keep her illusion going. Oh to be a remotely attractive straight white man. The ex states Shanann states she left because domestic violence. Please click here to get full access and no ads for $1.99 or less per month. Grahm Coder says repeatedly, Help us bring them out of the cold." LEONARD knew nothing of SHANANNs current husband, other than what he saw on the news. She was the store manager. I feel its a form of abuse to film and live broadcast your family at all times. I also think she used her physical hardships once again to play on his sympathies, sort of like a book of struggles, but he had already turned a deaf ear. 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John Forbes officiating. Two days later, he was arrested in connection with their deaths. He's remarried with children; and also suffered the devastating loss of his younger brother in 2016. And Im pretty sure Colorado wouldve ruled that Shanann couldnt use her kids as props in any more public Thrive videos. In 2018, husband and father Chris Wattswas arrested for murdering his pregnant wife, Shanann Watts, and their two young daughters, Bella and Celeste, in Colorado (via Oxygen). Hours later, Chris killed her and the girls. Maybe I will become Jesus. Crime Junkie podcast just did an episode on this case. Especially Scooby Nickole! Most states are nowadays. Perhaps Chris thought that as well. That's an interesting piece of information. And she wasnt flipping. Makes me want to slap those agents silly. I mean to stay would be commiting to hell. All parents would want the best education for their children. On Thursday, authorities found three bodies: Shanann was buried in a shallow grave about 40 miles east of their home at a work site belonging to her husband's former employer (which fired him. It was Bumfuck, NC, but still worth $400k. He even put her body next to their feet on the floor of the truck with her head & feet covered with *trash bags* and took an hour driving them to the site they would be murdered at. Bella was born December 17, 2013 in Colorado. Ryan The Hack Murphy needs to do a Netflix melodrama about this case. She would have freakouts where hed have to drop everything to console her. Not for one second did I think that the big confession Watts gave cops would be so brutal and nasty. THIS IS TOTAL LEFT FIELD.. ^ to be fair, Trent Bolte has them all beat in the crazy department. I asked about SHANANNs skills in conflict resolution. Its very difficult to call out liars unless theres a criminal act like fraud. jim martin death couples massage class san diego beaver falls football shanann watts first marriage. I had no idea it was that much! He was an employee of the Anadarko Petroleum, Woodlands, Texas. There was equity in the house but they didnt exactly buy low. I dont know what kind of insurance they had, but wow. The discovery docs included an interview with the ex. The documentary, entitled American Murder: The Family Next Door, began streaming on September 30. What's the source on that 500k figure? R58 even sounds offended that they don't meet his standards for child attractiveness. He was charged with five counts . The women next to her in that pic are just fatter. . He pleaded guilty that November to all three slayings. It was a part of his responsibility. to brutally cutting off their air supply & feeling nothing as they grunt and move around under the Yankees blanket struggling to breathe? (Colorado Bureau of Investigation) On August 13, 2018, Colorado father Chris Watts murdered his pregnant wife, Shanann Watts, and their two daughters, 4-year-old Bella and 3-year-old Celeste. LEONARD reported that he and SHANANN took out life insurance policies when they were married around 2004/2005 through USAA. unless you was there, and Im sure you wasnt. So she's the Laci Peterson of this generation? So thats why there was so much debt.. R19, my mistake. I thanked LEONARD for his time. Her folks referred to her as Shannan at Chris's sentencing and she was named in thar lawsuit against the rim shop as Shannan King (her first husband's surname). Just the fact that she texted a friend, mulling about where to move should they divorce, (but not NC for some reason) tells me she was used to getting her own way. I do agree that Kessinger had more involvement than she pretended. A Funeral Mass will be held 1PM on Saturday, September 1st 2018 at Sacred Heart Roman Catholic Church in Pinehurst with Rev. Shanann Watts ex husband Leonard King - (Speaking about their relationship) TV NEWS 1.38K subscribers Subscribe 44K views 3 years ago Shanann Watts ex husband Leonard King - (Speaking. Chris would have been on the hook for everything. The mother seemed to know or assume that her two daughters had staged the creepy dead doll, writing around 2.30pm: 'At least they covered the body together. Happy deathaversary, Shanannanananananana!! Hello and thank you for being a DL contributor. American Murder: The Family Next Door focuses on the 2018 disappearance of Shanann Watts and her two young . Not sure how often that happens even though Im still friends with my sons ex-wife but it would be very hard not to like her, There is an interview of an ex-girlfriend . "When Shanann Watts blew out the candles on her birthday cake on January 10, 2018, with her two young daughters by her side, she had no idea it would be her last birthday or that all three of them would be dead in the coming year. It does seem like a few people are looking to justify her murder so that they don't feel guilty about their attraction to Chris, seriously--but I'm assuming it's mostly tongue in cheek, since even if you can feel sympathy for someone snapping and killing a bitchy frau, there's the two innocent children and all r29 I believe Chris only made 60k/year and Shan'ann MAYBE made anither 30k with the Thrive! He had already been contacted by NBC News. Someone in one of the threads said they drove through the area and it's pretty barren and underdeveloped. They filed for chapter 7 BK in 2015 too, same year as the Watts. 500k is insane, no matter what year it was! Or maybe it was a way to get bill collectors off her tail. "Her car is here but she's not at home. He had heard about the case in which SHANANN and her children were missing. R197, If you watch the videos when she live-streams from the deck, back beyond their house looks like a dump -- literally, the city dump. Shannan did indeed feed Bella and CeCe Thrive K. Heres an inspiring video with comments to tell you how wonderful it was. Days before she was murdered by her husband, 34-year-old Shanann Watts reached out to a friend and shared her growing concerns about her marriage -- but she never suspected she was in danger.. How does he go from doing their hair every morning and making sure they had baths & snacks everyday (and reading them bedtime stories, etc.) Over a similar if slightly shorter span of time, Chris Watts moved 7 times, averaging about a move per year. LEONARD does not believe that the divorce decree addressed the life insurance policies. Chris Watts was charged with the murders of Shanann and their daughters Bella and Celeste on Aug. 21, 2018. Shanann was trying to make sense of it all. The MIL was a cunt to her, too, but I think its because MIL recognized a fellow manipulator. He did not receive a warm welcome when he reunited with them in NC. [post redacted because linking to dailymail.co.uk clearly indicates that the poster is either a troll or an idiot (probably both, honestly.) "ACTION TAKEN: CBI Agent GALBRAITH interviewed LEONARD KING by phone on 08/15/2018. Or was he completely oblivious and just filled with utter rage at Shannan and her doppelgnger kids dissing him? "Last summer, Shanann and her daughters spent six weeks in North Carolina with her parents and brother before returning to the Frederick, Colorado, home she shared with Chris on Aug. 7. She would also get child support but its based on income and its possible, only possible, she was making more than he was. Leonard Thomas King Christopher Lee Watts on 3 Nov 2012 in Mecklenburg, North Carolina, United StatesResidence, (01 Oct 2004-01 Jun 2005) Dunn, North Carolina, United States (01 Aug 2005-15 Nov 2007) Dunn, North Carolina, United States (15 Nov 2007) Clifton, New Jersey, United States (01 Mar 2008) Fayetteville, North Carolina, United StatesDeath, 2825 Saratoga Trail, Erie, Boulder, Colorado, United StatesBurial, Aberdeen, Moore, North Carolina, United States of America. SHANANN would stay gone, but he was never concerned that something happened to her. Police say the three victims were murdered in their home and later transported to the oil field. Netflix viewers believe a murdered wife sent police a clue from beyond the grave after spotting something "creepy" in the doco about her brutal murder at the hands of her cheating husband. Im sure NK wasnt blaming everything on some imaginary disease (yes, I know lupus is REAL, but Shanann didnt have it). Written by on 27 febrero, 2023. But after ringing their doorbell and getting no answer, then seeing Shanann's white Lexus in the garage, Nickole called him. Is it from medical? @Strawheart, how do you know she didnt kill the little girls? R150 But she was. But its true. Those kids had a terrible life. Its endlessly fascinating. Shanann was married to Chris Watts from November 3, 2012, till the time of her death on 13 August 2018. Once she was done, she cut herself off from him. Im R39, so just to add - one of the most pathetic things about this case is Chris saying we never go on hikes.. Negligence. Likely when Chris did the same thing to her she may have had some insight into herself, that this is what happened with Leonard, which caused her to try her hardest to get Chris to talk to her. And that anyone who wants to dissect the situation, including dissecting the victim, is also CRAZY and therefore thinks the perp should go free and the victim deserved to die. Has there ever been a more inept family killer? But Colorado courts wouldve absolutely not allowed her to move out of state and take the girls, unless there was a good reason (my parents will provide day care for the kids - but they couldnt, since they both had to work) or Chris agreed. Long gone are the days where a Dad is left penniless and without children, although so many posters think that is the deal. Watts. He couldve extracted himself from Shanann without too much damage. He learned of this case from social media and news. She was desperate when she realized he was done. LEONARD was unable to get details from her. Shanann and her two daughters, Bella and Celeste, were reported missing on August 13, 2018 in Frederick, Colorado. LEONARD reported that he and SHANANN married in 2002/2003 and divorced in 2007/2008 in SC. Ty for that info, I'd read it previously but had forgotten most of it. Shannon Shanann Rzucek King Watts was a con. R96 I think its because Chris and Scamanne were relatively attractive people and yet their union produced such unfortunate looking kids. Auto mechanics are catnip to gold diggers. LEONARD reported that he and SHANANN took out life insurance policies when they were married around 2004/2005 through USAA. does Chris slowly pay it back by making license plates? Plus, there was a newspaper article written about the tire place she worked in in NC, and in the article her name was spelled "Shanann," and a lawsuit filed against her with her named spelled "Shanann.". Her high school drama teacher said they called her Shanna ANN. I thought, "huh. He learned of this case from social media and news. R55, Shananns mother signed as a guarantor for their CO home. May be she aspired to live a little beyond their means but she didnt kill anyone not does that make her evil. "She had dreams to be fulfilled" and "wanted to be an exceptional wife and mother," the pastor said of Watts, 34. Then he killed his daughters Bella, 4, and Celeste, 3 at his job site on an oil field. Thank you so much, Your email address will not be published. Every quality I listed was well-documented in her videos and texts which revealed her dealings with others, as well as her attitude and perspective. I cant figure out how they got so deeply in debt AGAIN after the first bankruptcy. Please click here to update your account with a username and password. r22, I saw some special on tv about the murders, it mentioned medical bills for her. They had no children from their marriage together and have not communicated in over ten years he estimated. The Netflix shows details the deteriorating relationship between Chris and Shanann, who began suspecting her husband was having an affair and felt he was suddenly pulling away from her. Press J to jump to the feed. Im not saying she killed anyone, but I think she goaded him. Only thing I can think of even though I dont think he has it in him is another girl. (not sure if that is accurate). So basically being a condescending bitch. R231, thats a very good point. I am curious why we never hear from any other women in Chris Watts past? 'I dont know what to think about this' Shanann wrote above the photo, adding two laughing-tears emojis. FFS, asthma is not so elusive and rare that several doctors over two years failed to recognize it. And to restate the obvious again - if you are married, make sure you have your own individual accounts. Easy to say in retrospect I suppose. Watts, 35, reportedly detailed the gruesome slaying of Shanann Watts in one of his prison letters - and he also revealed that he'd been thinking about killing her for "weeks." 15 Mortgages became harder to get after the 08 recession. And everything is LUPUS. I need you to meet me halfway. Im sorry shes dead, but she was shady as fuck. Sham'ann was a phony OCD bossy frau. I felt all along there was apparently a rush by the prosecution to get this case brought to closure while ignoring various aspects that to me were very important. Even with a high-interest, low-limit card available to bankrupt consumers, they wouldnt be able to afford the airfares to NC for their summer trip! Oh how Shanann was so excited to be able to have another child because of her battle with Lupus. A Funeral Mass will be held 1PM on Saturday, September 1st 2018 at Sacred Heart Roman Catholic Church in Pinehurst with Rev. Meanwhile, hes doing the financial math about a divorce. Thats bullshit made up by her crazy ass, psycho in-laws the ones that raised a murderer. I hope Chris is released someday, he shouldn't have to spend the rest of his life in prison. Everyones awful. R162: A woman with a job equals whore in your world. Stealing the kids identities? ^ Thanks for clarifying. Lucky for these scammers theres HIPAA. Because how dare murdered, discarded toddlers not be beautiful. I don't get it. I don't get it. Daughter of Private and Private Shannan and the ex's wife were FB friends, she signed her up to Thrive but she didn't do very well with it. Someone on a FB forum had the same thing and said that their out-of-pocket/co-pay was like a thousand dollars. A concerned friend contacted law enforcement after learning of the murders of Shanann Watts and her two young daughter, relaying an unsettling anecdote Shanann had shared with her just weeks before she was killed. So depressing. Chris Watts was convicted of murdering. Maybe it was a neat and tidy rule. Why does everyone keep saying, 'But back to Shannan?' 1. Take a look at I listened to the RedHanded podcast posted upthread. Walking away from his family would've left him (and then, obviously) far better off than where he is now. Shananns husband, Chris Watts, 33, can be heard singing in the background.". She would have received spousal support but there is a time limit on that. Yes, people were buying things they could afford, but this That doesnt make sense. LEONARD actually did not know SHANANNs last name until a few days ago. That really upsets me. That can occur when a nerd suddenly becomes hot or he's just a crazy. Was she banging him, too? How many of us could say we have friends that would be there the next day looking for us with cops? 25 Feb/23. Interview with Leonard King, Shan'ann Watts' Ex-Husband [47th Tranche] January 14, 2019 / crimerocket_pmfrt4 / 34 Comments. I also think those same things motivate him to not be completely truthful about his true motives, etc. [quote]Of course we can say nice things about her, too. What evidence is there that Shanann was making up her diagnosis of Lupus, whether or not she was "a hypochondriac and OCD"? She expected to quietly . Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts, https://www.forbisanddick.com/obituaries/Arie-King/#!/Obituary. 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